This file is one of the Wolfstone archives of the Halloween mailing lists. You can find out more, and reach the entire collection here: http://www.pobox.com/~wolfstone/_r/HalloweenArchive.html This particular archive deals with "glue" topics. This includes: o Phlexglu, and substitutes o hot glue It does NOT include related topics: o paint o attachment of prosthetics to your skin (see makeup) o glue especially for use on styrofoam or other plastic foams - - - - - From: "Scary Gary" To: Subject: Re: Phlexglu aging? Date: Fri, 7 Nov 1997 15:24:24 -0600 : From: milwiron at btprod.com : Yo Jerry, : How do articles made with Phlexglu stand up over time? Does it get brittle : over the years or is it sensitive to UV degradation? Does the plasticizer : help or hurt aging? It's funny that you asked this Denny( I was thinkin' 'bout P-glu eariler). Nope, I don't have an answer for you but when I get some spare time I'm going to play with padding compound (which Jerry seems to think that it is as close to Phelxglu as you can get and not be P-glu) which I can get in much smaller quantities than the P-glu. I hope to give a full report later. - - - - - From: Spookyfx at aol.com Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 23:15:31 EDT Subject: Re: HALL: Question about glue In a message dated 6/9/99 7:34:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmp2147@ksu.edu writes: > Whats up everybody? I was wondering what the best glue would be for glueing > hair onto a latex mask. I have a Michael Meyers mask but the hair is glue > on cheaply, so I am going to add more, but I am not sure about what to use. > Also the same mask is getting rigid and cracking in places is there any way > to prolong a mask? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. > > Enigma jerry ^v^ writes: I have been using an EXTREMELY flexible and tenacious hot glue. It is almost impossible to get it through a glue gun because it is so stretchy and flexible. Constituently it may be a discounted item as the only place I have found it is at Wal-Mart in the craft section. Look for the bag of hot glue that feels like soft rubber when you pinch it. I use MANY little dots of it on the latex. NOT a long bead or pools. You will need a hot glue melting pot to use it. If speed is not required (which is what hot glue is for) then I would go with TAD Peterson's suggestion. He posted once that he likes to use E6000 As it is also very flexible and tenacious. I have to agree with him, it works well. When I cannot find any more of my favorite hot glue I may use the E6000. But I would still use dots and not pools of the glue. The absolute best stuff was 355 prosthetic adhesive. There was a GREAT surgical glue that I was introduced to by a friend who still works in the movie effects industry. Unfortunately it was discontinued because the manufacturing process was deemed to environmentally hazardous. At least that is what I was told by BURMAN. Its hard for me to believe that, but the fact is it is GONE and now we are back to using .....YUK......spirit gum.....gezz.... The company had promised a replacement, but that was 3 years ago and there is no replacement to my knowledge. - - - - - From: "Linda M Lestha" Subject: Re: HALL: Question about glue Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:16:32 -0400 >In a message dated 6/9/99 7:34:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time, jmp2147@ksu.edu >writes: > >> Whats up everybody? I was wondering what the best glue would be for glueing >> hair onto a latex mask. I have a Michael Meyers mask but the hair is glue... > >jerry ^v^ writes: (snipped) >The absolute best stuff was 355 prosthetic adhesive. >There was a GREAT surgical glue that I was introduced to >by a friend who still works in the movie effects industry. >Unfortunately it was discontinued because the >manufacturing process was deemed to >environmentally hazardous. > >At least that is what I was told by BURMAN. I confirmed that with Alcone Supply. Dow's 355 Medical Adhesive has not been sold in years because it contains trichlorotrifluorethane (Freon), which is, of course, damaging to the ozone layer. At first they slapped on environmental taxes and then they discontinued it. For makeup effects, Pros Aide is, apparently, the successful replacement of that product (one of the ingredients in the PA-X formula). Unfortunately, Pros Aide can be a real bear to get off so they came out with Pros Aide 2 which is easier to remove (but still tougher than spirit gum). I've worked with Pros Aide 2 but not the original Pros Aide. I have no idea if this stuff can successfully be used for long-term application of hair to a mask. >Its hard for me to believe that, but the fact is it is GONE >and now we are back to using .....YUK......spirit gum.....gezz.... No, we're not, Jerry. Your just behind in the times. There are other surgical adhesives out there. However, having said that, I still prefer to use spirit gum at times and in places (like the sensitive skin of the neck) because it is easy to remove and less likely to cause irritation (to my neck) than some of the high tech stuff -- maybe due to the fact that it IS easier to remove so less scrubbing is required. If anyone out there does want to try Pros Aide or Pros Aide 2 for f/x makeup applications, please test for skin sensitivity AND make darn sure you have sufficient amount of the appropriate remover AND (especially for Pros Aide) make sure you do NOT tear off the appliance or you will remove skin with it! - - - - - Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 08:58:23 -0500 From: abrill at mindspring.com (Arthur Brill) Subject: Re: HALL: Question about glue Linda wrote: >No, we're not, Jerry. Your just behind in the times. There are other >surgical adhesives out there. However, having said that, I still prefer to >use spirit gum at times and in places (like the sensitive skin of the neck) >because it is easy to remove and less likely to cause irritation (to my >neck) than some of the high tech stuff -- maybe due to the fact that it IS >easier to remove so less scrubbing is required. If anyone out there does >want to try Pros Aide or Pros Aide 2 for f/x makeup applications, please >test for skin sensitivity AND make darn sure you have sufficient amount of >the appropriate remover AND (especially for Pros Aide) make sure you do NOT >tear off the appliance or you will remove skin with it! > > >Linda You'll also want to get some barrier cream, before using any of these adhesives on the skin. Barrier cream is like a skin lotion, and just protects the skin from irritation. Check to see if you have a local home health care supplier in your town. They should carry most of these things. The sad fact is that lots of people out there actually need this stuff for medical purposes, so it is not that hard to come by. - - - - - From: Spookyfx at aol.com Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:55:18 EDT Subject: Re: HALL: Question about glue In a message dated 6/10/99 6:16:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, URIELDEWOLF at prodigy.net writes: > > No, we're not, Jerry. Your just behind in the times. There are other > surgical adhesives out there. However, having said that, I still prefer to > use spirit g Sorry Linda but this is not exactly right. You see Pros aid and other surgical glues are NOT anywhere the same as the 355. Exsposed 355 dried to NON tacky state by skinning over. This "skinning" is a very desirable characteristic. This is the problem with using Pros-Aid as a glue for hair on masks. It stays "gummy" unless you powder it. And powdering it then creates other problems. There was a reason the 355 was the professionals choice. - - - - - From: "Linda M Lestha" Subject: Re: HALL: Question about glue Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:47:27 -0400 >Sorry Linda but this is not exactly right. > >You see Pros aid and other surgical glues are NOT anywhere the same as >the 355. > >Exsposed 355 dried to NON tacky state by skinning over. >This "skinning" is a very desirable characteristic. Ah! You had not specified this particular complaint originally. I stand corrected on this point. >This is the problem with using Pros-Aid as a glue for hair on masks. >It stays "gummy" unless you powder it. I just couldn't imagine using it for a mask. I've always thought of it simply as a prosthetic adhesive for the skin. And you're right, it does stay quite gummy. Maybe for the wet look... All the hair glued flat! Of course, that gummy factor is a help when you're trying to keep copious amounts of crepe hair glued to your body as a werewolf. Then, I'd powder any unwanted stickiness away with black powder which really grunged the makeup quite nicely. But as a mask glue... No, I just can't see it. >There was a reason the 355 was the professionals choice. Alcone agrees with you there! No question about that. Of course, another alternative to gluing hair would be punching it but that is, of course, tedious work. Of course, one could glue the back areas and then punch along the hair line for a more realistic look. Thank you for pointing out the distinction between Pros Aide and 355. I've never had the pleasure of working with 355 myself. It was already on its way out before I started experimenting with surgical adhesives. I always miss the good stuff. - - - - - Subject: RE: Howl - Book Binding - glue receipe From: "Acorn" Date: Thu, 10 Aug 2000 10:17:45 -0700 I got this from some old craft archive. I think it was in the context of Fixing a broken book, not making a new one. Bookbinding or leather glue. 1 packet ( 1/4 oz ) unflavored gelatin. 3 tablespoons boiling water 1 tablespoon vinegar 1 teaspoon glycerine. In a pan add gelatin to boiling water and stir until gelatin is completely dissolved. Add vinegar and glycerine and stir until mixed well. While the glue is still warm, apply a thin layer with a brush. Store in tightly capped jar. This glue will keep for several months. Warm bottle in hot water to reuse glue. I however applied a Thick layer to the ends of my stack of paper last night. This morning it had dried to a thin layer of flexible binding. Very nice. It has some spots that will have to be done over tonight. For the glycerine I used some stuff I got from Michaels that you use to make fancy soaps. The main ingredient was glycerine but it also had some oil of some kind in it. I was just to lazy to go to the store and get plain glycerine. - - - - -