This file is one of the Wolfstone archives of the Halloween mailing lists. You can find out more, and reach the entire collection here: http://www.pobox.com/~wolfstone/_r/HalloweenArchive.html This particular archive deals with "fabric" topics. This includes: o cammo net o cheesecloth, tule, and other ghost fabric o burlap and fabric for monster mud o rolls of paper with a printed pattern Some of the clips near the top are lacking headers - sorry! - - - - - For whomever wanted a source for cammo netting, I came across this today: http://www.nightmarefactory.com/supplies.html CAMOFLAGE NETTING Ideal for scene design. Material is brown on one side, green on the reverse side. Durable, re-usable, safe. Approximately 200 square feet. VA514 $56.00 - - - - - Last year I bought stuff from Walmart that was 36" wide. That cheesecloth was 75 cents a yard. This year, I have found a place called Tri-State Safety & Textiles on the web. The address is http://www.arway.com/ I have purchased 100 yards for 35 cents a yard from them. I haven't received it yet and it's been about a week, but it's due any time. I leave another post to tell everyone about the quality, but I'm sure it will be ok. Hey, it's saving me a lot of money. Oh, this stuff is also 36" wide. - - - - - Bruce (& gang), I've found a better material for ghosts then cheesecloth. It's as thin as tissue paper; synthetic and water proof; as lightweight and sheer as a veil; it comes in various widths of appx. 2 feet or 3 feet; and cost about 40 CENTS PER YARD! What is this wonder material you ask? It's available at Home Depot in the Plumbing department. It's called Septic Tank Paper. It's used to wrap drain field pipes so sand and dirt don't get back in and clog it up. It's great for making ghosts! It's already white, but unfortunatly it doesn't glow under black light naturally. If you want an idea what it's like, it's remarkably similiar to the frabic softner dryer sheets you put in your dryer. I HIGHLY recommend it. - - - - - Subject: Re: HALL: Cardboard Brick Stuff Reply-To: halloween-l at netcom.com Hi Ghouls, I have ordered from a company for years...photo studio, backdrops etc!! Events 1-800-748-7004 They have the brick paper in corrugated or flat paper. They also have a cobblestone pattern, marble, etc. 48"x25' corrugated $19.30 per roll 48"x50' flat paper $19.30 per roll They have all sorts of different styles and weights!! A lot of the backgrounds and papers are flame proof since they are used in schools! I have ordered from them several times and it is great! Fast...and always in good shape! - - - - - Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 09:01:57 -0500 From: "Jeff L. Scroggins" Subject: Re: HALL: camo netting To find cammo netting go to www.colemans.com they are a army surplus and they have it listed in their new catalog I just got yesterday! You can get a 10' by 10' net for $19.95 or a 10' by 20' for $35.95 If you want to call them their number is 1-888-478-7758 The cammo netting item number is #2220 for the 10'X10' and #2221 for the 10'X20' REVERSIBLE CAMO NETTING - 10' X 10' 222001 24.95 REVERSIBLE CAMO NETTING - 10' X 20' 222101 $39.95 - - - - - From: "Thomas Hoey" Subject: Re: HALL: Cammo Netting Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 00:21:33 -0400 The cammo netting we purchased from Northern is non-flammable. It passed the fire inspection in South Florida. I tried to lite it myself. It would not even flame up. - - - - - Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 17:59:43 -0500 From: abrill at mindspring.com (Arthur Brill) Subject: Re: HALL: Re: Scrims... >PAINT the scrim? you sure about this? One of the horror stories i used to >hear at the theatre i worked at was about the time one of the techies tried >to wash the scrim... there is some sort of special powder in the scrim that >gives it its solid/opaque quality depending on the position of the lighting. Again... you would not want to use latex paint to paint a scrim, as it would clog the holes. Alcone recommends Aniline Dye or Rosco Supersaturated Paints. - - - - - Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 16:08:50 -0400 From: Ricky & Karen Dick Subject: Re: HALL: Re: Scrims... The scrim is solid/opaque because it has HOLES in it (very open weave). If you light it from the front, it appears solid. If you light it from the back, it goes gauzy and opaque. Yes, you can paint on the scrim. Whatever scene you paint goes translucent when backlit. All kinds of possibilities for critters in crypts, paintings coming to life, etc. ROSE BRAND THEATRICAL carries all kinds of scrim, including one that is called "painters scrim" that is not bleached, dyed, or flame-treated so the paint will adhere better. They also have scrim suitabe for use outdoors. www.rosebrand.com or call (800) 223-1624 on the East Coast or (800) 360-5056 on the West Coast. --Karen Castle Blood At 03:33 PM 5/22/99 EDT, you wrote: >PAINT the scrim? you sure about this? One of the horror stories i used to >hear at the theatre i worked at was about the time one of the techies tried >to wash the scrim... there is some sort of special powder in the scrim that >gives it its solid/opaque quality depending on the position of the lighting. > >You may be right, but i've never heard of painting a scrim... can someone >tell me if i'm right or wrong? - - - - - From: AdamnAdm at aol.com Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 03:50:08 EDT Subject: Re: HALL: Painting scrims Scrim works through it's weave, not any special treatment to any sort of fabric. If you are looking for a very cheap scrim substitute.....use that Greenhouse screen. You can purchase it by the yard on bolts at places like Eagle hardware, or home depot for about 50cents a (yard/foot?) it's not anything near the price of scrim. I spent about 70$ a while back on a remnant that was 15'X7'.....Cheesecloth dyed black works fairly well too. PAINTING: Warning......always paint scrim hanging, and use fabric dye's if possible. Otherwise, on a white scrim: use a very watery paint with "Extender" added to it. The extender works as a binder when thinning paint with water, and doesn't ruin the color of the pigment at all. The metal greenhouse screen can be painted in the same fashion, but has a tendancy to be more see through than scrim when front lit. After painted, and dry: scumble it up in a big ball, and keep unraveling and crumbling it to make sure the holes are still there, rather than filled with paint or residue. NEVER paint if it is up against a surface. That may seem like common knowledge, but someone working for me destroyed a large chunk of scrim for the show I was designing. Hint though: NEVER wash it if you can help it. The scrim fabric likes the shape it is in, and fabric has a tendancy to attract to itself when washed....EXAMPLE: when very see through white clothing is washed for the first time it becomes more opaque. Good luck all.......... - - - - - From: "Ron Tye" Subject: HALL: Halloween sightings - FCG fabric Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:04:00 PDT Hi Kids, I was over at Wal-Mart yester day and found some signes of Halloween in ther fabric department (I was scrounging around for FCG fabric). Costume Tafia $2 yd in black, white, orange and delisious shade of royal purple. And Halloween prints So far my experiments indicate that white fabric is the most likely to floress under black light (added brightner I think). White "tule" and chiffon glowed very well, cheez cloth, off white chiffon and tafita didn't glow at all (I will try fabric brightener on them and see what happens). Also brightener does work on plastic bags; but, not very well. As for FCG fabric I found something called "tule" (thanks to a FCG demo at the San Diego gathering) It's lighter, more translusent and slightly cheeper than cheez cloth ($0.77 yd, glows with out added brightener). Chiffon is also looking like a good candidate (except $3.97 yd). - - - - - Subject: Prop Fabrics (OT) From: "Sue McDonald" Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 05:04:34 -0700 Just a little Fabric 101 for those interested: Cheesecloth: sold in packages or by the yard-gauzy material can be used for spider egg sacs, Flying Crank Ghosts, static apparitions, mummy wrappings, cobwebbing (hanging in strips), backing for monster mud, etc. Nylon netting: sold by the yard in 36"/45"/54"/72" widths-mesh fabric (different mesh sizes also) which can be used for the FCG, static apparitions, bridal veils (novel concept there), backing for monster mud, gosamer wing making, etc. Burlap: sold in garden, home improvement and fabric stores; sold by the yard, foot or in bulk rolls in varying widths-fiberous mesh material (I hate working with this because of the itch factor) which can be used for static apparitions, backing for monster mud, haunt walls, etc. Muslin: sold by the yard in 36"/45"/54"/72"/90"/108"/120" widths-thin to medium fabric which can be used for mummy wrappings, backing for monster mud, haunt walls, would not recommend for the FCG because if its weight, static apparitions, etc. I rotary cut muslin strips last year when I did my monster mud props. In a morbid sort of way, I rather enjoyed doing this except that I would have prefered the MM was a little warmer and the humidity a little less. You can just clip the muslin at set distances and tear the strips but I kept getting snagged by the loose threads of the torn strips while doing the monster mud. This is not even the tip of the iceberg for prop fabrics and today (Monday) is the last day of the fabric sale at Joanns for which you can get 50% off cheesecloth (found at the notions wall). - - - - - Subject: Sky Dancers / Bobbing Maggots From: "Rucker Posey" Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 14:46:18 -0400 Some time ago there was a question as to an inexpensive source for " Rip stop nylon " . This can be purchased from : Bainbridge International ,255 Revere St. , Canton Mass ,02021-2921 E-addy =3D INFO@bainbridgeint.com . I believe this is a wholesale outlet . Tip : be sure to ask what they have in flawed materials , they will tell you what the blemish is and its about 1/3 the normal prices . I believe this is 54" wide material , so a yard of material is 54" X 36" . What you want to ask for is " spinaker cloth " 1.5 Oz. or 1.9 Oz. - this is a very light weight material. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Re: does burlap come in.... From: "Iron Kingdom" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:16:09 -0400 Okay I just talked to the boss man himself..good old Frank Farber has burlap..tons of the stuff! Treated, colored, choice of weaves etc. This = man needs to start a major MM project. Anyhow this is what I found out... **10 oz weave 300 yards by 60" runs .95 cents a yard. (you can get up to = 72" widths) **96" x 96" runs 1.40 a sq. yard. Other sizes available. You pay freight and he can send it out as soon as = he gets payment. He has a whole mess load of this stuff on hand and isn't aversive to halloweeners. Be careful though, the man can talk your ear = right off. He seems very nice but certainly isn't an introvert. ;) Lady Iron > > > > I don't know what the difference is but I called > > http://www.farberbag.com/burlap.htm to price a 100 yard roll. It = comes in 7 > > or 10 oz treated or untreated so I don't know if the weight has = anything to > > do with the weave. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Re: does burlap come in.... From: "Iron Kingdom" Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:17:26 -0400 Oh the weave comes in 7 oz and 10 oz....the higher numebr has a tighter weave. Lady Iron : > > > > I don't know what the difference is but I called > > http://www.farberbag.com/burlap.htm to price a 100 yard roll. It = comes in 7 > > or 10 oz treated or untreated so I don't know if the weight has = anything to > > do with the weave. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: RE: Dorp, Demon and the TS From: "Sue McDonald" Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 19:24:38 -0700 I vote to go with the GOOD math and a 6' wide roll of burlap that is 300 feet long is the one I would go for... Sue wbn at wickedbeernut.com wrote: > > Damien, > I believe that Dorp is actually Jute Matting and yes, Jute Matting can = be > purchased in 4' x 225' rolls at about $0.85 a yard. > > It (the pricing) is really no different than with burlap. You can = purchase > a 3' x 24' roll of burlap at Home Depot for $10 ($1.25 a square yard) or > as recently pointed out, you can purchase a 6' x 300' roll of burlap at > $150 ($0.75 a square yard). - - - - - Subject: Wall Coverings, "dorp"? From: "Terror" Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:10:21 -0600 I've read that 'dorp' is merely jute netting, and that it would be cheap = to buy from a gardening suply store, but I have been unable to find it = (granted I havnt looked hard). From my research on the web, I have only seen perfectly woven stuff, so I'm assuming I would have to go beat the hell = out of it, is there a certain size that works best? Would it be cheaper for me to just go to a army surplus store and buy a = few rolls of camo netting? Or does anyone know some suppliers (over the internet) that are a tad cheaper than $3 a yard? - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Wall Coverings, "dorp"? From: "James Maguire" Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:43:21 -0400 It's $1.14 a yard at http://www.benmeadows.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/scstore/p-101460.html?L+scst= ore+kayj9737+996807228 Plus it's a 4 foot roll Phobos >From: Terror >Reply-To: "Halloween List" >To: Halloween List >Subject: Hall: Wall Coverings, "dorp"? >Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:10:21 -0600 > >I've read that 'dorp' is merely jute netting, and that it would be cheap = to >buy from a gardening suply store, but I have been unable to find it >(granted >I havnt looked hard). From my research on the web, I have only seen >perfectly woven stuff, so I'm assuming I would have to go beat the hell = out >of it, is there a certain size that works best? > >Would it be cheaper for me to just go to a army surplus store and buy a = few >rolls of camo netting? Or does anyone know some suppliers (over the >internet) that are a tad cheaper than $3 a yard? - - - - - Subject: RE: Hall: Wall Coverings, "dorp"? From: Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:55:30 -0700 >I've read that 'dorp' is merely jute netting, and that it would be cheap= >to >buy from a gardening suply store, but I have been unable to find it (gra= nted >I havnt looked hard). From my research on the web, I have only seen >perfectly woven stuff, so I'm assuming I would have to go beat the hell out >of it, is there a certain size that works best? Try searching for "jute matting". http://www.rolanka.com/jutemat.shtml http://bigblue.safeshopper.com/39/cat39.htm?227 Here's another place that sells it at $3 a yard, http://www.displaycostume.com/detail.asp?item=3D110222 I know that doesn't help much. Keep looking. Someone is bound to find something. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Wall Coverings, "dorp"? From: "T Kledzik" Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 17:52:19 -0400 I just purchased a 50 foot roll of "Landscaping Fabric" from Lowes. This = is great for MM projects and can be distressed rather well. While it appears = to be lighter in weight that the "dorp," at less the $10 (36"x 50') and $6.00 = for the 25ft it would be a suitable replacement. The burlap is more like = the stuff used to bundle trees and such. The perfect woven stuff is more like clothing grade material- which is about $3 a yard.. This stuff from Lowes looks great. Layer it for a depth effect. Please refrain from using my name a unit of measure. Tad Tampa > >I've read that 'dorp' is merely jute netting, and that it would be cheap = to >buy from a gardening supply store, but I have been unable to find it >(granted I havnt looked hard). From my research on the web, I have only >seen perfectly woven stuff, so I'm assuming I would have to go beat the >hell out of it, is there a certain size that works best? > >Would it be cheaper for me to just go to a army surplus store and buy a = few >rolls of camo netting? Or does anyone know some suppliers (over the >internet) that are a tad cheaper than $3 a yard? - - - - -