This file is one of the Wolfstone archives of the Halloween mailing lists. You can find out more, and reach the entire collection here: http://www.pobox.com/~wolfstone/_r/HalloweenArchive.html This particular archive deals with "black light" topics. This includes: o black light o black light lights/lamps/fixtures o black light paint, dye, and pigment o glow-in-the-dark materials of all sorts It does NOT include related topics: o lighting in general - - - - - Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:11:23 -0500 From: ART SCHAFFER Subject: HALL: Fluorescent U.V. Paints For those of you interested in luminous, fluorescent paints and u.v. ink, etc. You might want to try: Stroblite Company, Inc. 430 West 14 St. Rm. 507 New York, NY 10014 (212) 929-3778 Haven't used them in over a year, but I think they are still in business - - - - - Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 22:16:25 -0400 From: Chad croteau Subject: Re: HALL: Ideas for Makin Humans Glow www.wildfirela.com... That's the website for Wildfire UV fx... I've used their makeup and it's good stuff... Not the cheapest though... - - - - - Date: Fri, 04 Jun 1999 01:32:49 -0400 From: Chad croteau Subject: HALL: Ideas for making humans glow screwup Greetings folks... The URL for Wildfire UV Effects I sent was wrong.Ê Their page seems to have dissappeared.Ê However, two companies that carry Wildfire products are: http://www.pro-design.com.au/wfire-pg.htn.htm and http://www.glowbowl.com/wildfire.htm Sorry bout that... Should have checked the link first... - - - - - Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 13:34:12 -0400 From: Rus Hardy Subject: Re: HALL: Ideas for Makin Humans Glow Just my .02 here, I wouldn't advise using the Rit Whitener directly on skin.Ê Read the package (if I recall correctly) it's got a pretty nasty precaution about skin contact and breathing it, on the back of the package. But then again, I'm just another oaf trying to extend his life expectancy! Rus Allen wrote: > >ERA laundry detergent - we played around with it at the Jaycees Haunt > >and it glowed like crazy. Nancy > > "RIT Whitener and Brightener" is a coarse powder you add to the wash to > brighten your clothes. You can find it at K-mart with the fabric dies. It's > just concentrated UV die. It glows pale blue and is as bright under black > light as anything I've seen. You could just mix it in with your makeup. I > got a lot of it on my hands last year and I didn't suffer any skin > irritation. (I mixed it with KY jelly and smeared it on a latex mask.) > > The coarse powder is just salt with the dies mixed in. I don't think salt > will dissolve in oil-based makeup. You'd want to grind it up into a fine > powder before mixing it with the makeup. > > To make a wig glow, I'd mix the RIT Whitener and Brightener with enough > water to soak the wig. Then I'd dunk the wig in it, and then let it dry. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: invisible UV Paint - make your own From: bmartin at mmcable.com Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 02:04:18 -0500 Is that 1 part RIT fabric Brightener to 10 parts varnish? Brian At 11:38 AM 9/8/99 -0700, you wrote: >I wanted some UV paint that matched the color of RIT Fabric Brightener >that I could use on styrofoam. > >So I got a little bottle of acrilic varnish at Michaels and mixed up a >batch of 1 part brightener to 10 parts varnish and painted some on a = scrap >of styrofoam. > >It worked out great. The styrofoam didn't melt, the "paint" glowed >wonderfuly bright blue under UV light and as an added bonus the "paint" = is >almost invisible under standard light. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: UV Paint - where? From: "E Ratliff" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 15:57:06 -0400 I found mine in the school supplies at the grocery store, It was a kit = that contained 5 or 6 different colors. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Glowing Water? From: PSkwiersjr at aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:07:20 EDT Last year I found Glow in the dark water colors you know the tray with = about 14 water color tablets they work great under black light wet your brush = dip it in the color of your choice and put it in your jar or container voila = UV glowing water I found mine at Gags And Gifts Haven't seen it this year though - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: ELECTRICAL LIGHTS questions From: "Joe Camel" Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:36:57 -0800 Megan is correct Plexiglas uses UV inhibitors to reduce breakdown. For my exposed black light I used a large pcv pipe. Cut a rectangle into on side length wise. Insert the fixtue with the tube into the pipe with the power cord coming out one end. Use black plastic to cover the ends and rubber bands to hold in place. Now take saran wrap and go around the pipe to = close in the large rectangle hole. Plug it in and your set. Mine was out for = weeks in heavy rains at times and did fine. No water inside at all and the light wasn't deminished. Hope this helps, Bill > writes: > > The second part of my question is, if I was to put a > > black light inside a clear plastic box to protect it from the > > elements would that take away from it's ability to make things > > glow? > > I could be wrong, but I heard putting a black light behind Plexiglass > won't work, something in the coating stops UV rays from passing through. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: UV paint From: "Rus Hardy" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:36:10 -0400 > Hi what's the best (cheapest) source for invisible black light paint? I > need > to order some fast and has anyone on this list tried using black light = bulbs > that are florescent but can be used in an ordinary fixture? > thanks for any info you can supply. > > Mistress Celynn putting the "vamp" back into vampire Mistress, A cheap simple solution is to mix RIT Whitener and Brightener Powder with = Poly Urethane Clear Coat. Make sure you get read the can and avoid the ones with UV stabilizers as = this interferes with the glow under blacklight. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: UV paint From: "Brian Lorsung" Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2000 16:41:56 -0500 The other good invisible fluorescent paint is from Rosco. http://www.rosco.com/ I think that I paid $25/Qt. a couple years ago. Theater/Lighting places usually sell these products. Brian Lorsung http://www.halloweenobsession.com terry estioko wrote: > = > By "invisible" are you saying that the color is only visible under a > black light, and completely clear in regular light? > > If so, the only company I know that has this stuff is Wildfire, > here's the URL: http://www.wildfirefx.com/p1_2spec.htm . This stuff > is very expensive. - - - - - Subject: RE: Hall: UV paint From: "Malcolm Little" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 02:02:41 -0400 Hmmm... the best sources for clear (invisible) UV paint? If money is no object, then Nocturn, Wildfire and Rosco have the best games around. They have clear coat paints that are dead invisible except under blacklight. Nocturn http://www.nocturnuv.com/ Wildfire http://www.wildfirefx.com/ Rosco http://www.rosco.com/ It is recommended, as a general rule, that the best application is made over non-UV white. You can put it over anything you want to glow under UV. They should have red, orange, yellow, green, and blue - these are the invisible colors. You can find these products at stage/theatrical supply houses. Note that these products are expensive - my *ESTIMATE* is 30-50 bucks a pint. On the cheap, we've had good results with RIT, which does light up under UV, but isn't flourescent. This means that it is highly visible under blacklight, but doesn't have that 'light-up' effect that true UV coatings exhibit. We've also had reasonable results with other GITD products, but the favorite cheapie around here is clear GITD nail polish. It's tough to find, but if you can dig some up, you'll have what you need - depending upon how MUCH you need. Flourescent highlighters (office supply) also glow in UV. As for lamps, try to avoid the incandescent bulbs. Period. They produce white light, and all but the UV is filtered by the coating on the bulb. As the coating absorbs all the light, it gets VERY hot, and not much UV light is left to illuminate anything. These bulbs will burn things, and will explode if hit by rain. Flourescent tubes, by contrast, create UV light. They don't have to filter anything out. They run cooler, and dump out a LOT of light. The cheap route? Home Depot/Lowe's/etc. for a 4 foot shop light fixture and a 4 ft. Black light tube. The 'Lotta UV light' route? Home Depot/Lowe's/etc. for a 4 foot shop light fixture and a 4 ft. Black light tube. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: UV paint From: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 10:42:17 EDT A quick and easy way to get a cheap invisible UV effect is to mix RIT whitener with elmers glue. The glue will dry clear leaving only the blue = glow of the whitener. You will have to experiment with amounts of RIT to add to = the glue. 2 boxes of RIT to one bottle of glue should be sufficient but = you have to thin with water to keep the glue consistancy. Test it out on a = small piece of wood or cardboard first (under black light of course) and then = add the RIT till you get the strength of glow you desire. Just for info sake here are the prices of invisible UV paint from = wildfire: -6oz.- -pint- -quart- -gallon- Invisible Blue $9.95 $20 $35 $99 Invisible Orange $23.95 $34 $65 $216 Invisible Yellow $12.95 $25 $44 $126 Invisible Red $49.95 $100 $175 $500 Invisible Green $86.95 $174 $305 $870 Pretty expensive stuff but it does work great. There are other sources for regular UV paint, another place to try is: SPECIAL EFFECT SUPPLY CO. 164 East Center St #A North Salt Lake UT 84054 Phone: 801-936-9762 E-mail: spl_efx at xmission.com Website: http://www.fxsupply.com/ They have their own line of UV paint including invisible for a little less than wildfire - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: UV paint From: "Bran Sunwolf" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 08:02:07 -0700 We had 2 rooms where we used woolite last year.. one was brushing a thin coat over a plywood cut out of a gorilla so he'd show in the dark under blacklight. Second we had a room where we wanted ecto plasm from a ghost having been there.. so we made foot prints, and spread it over the legs, butt, and back of some tyvec coveralls and sat down in a chair.. left the impression of something having sat there.. or was it still there.. It does stay somewhat sticky to the touch.. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: UV paint From: Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 11:53:28 EDT I think I saw some for under $15 at party city. Theres a DJ place (www.americangear.com) that sells UV ink. Its the same stuff that is used = at amusement parks for readdmission hand stamping - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: OT, but I think you can help. From: "Todd Turley" Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 16:36:30 EDT Hey Princess, I don't know of any glow in the dark latex, but I do know of some sites = that have a glow pigment that can be added to paint, and probably latex as = well. Try www.glowinthedark.com or www.fxsupply.com - - - - - Subject: Re: Howl - R.I.T. From: "Goblin" Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 13:45:46 -0700 ----- Original Message ----- > I hear many things about RIT whitener. Can someone tell me what some of > it's qualities and uses are as it pertains to some of our needs in a > "Home Yard Haunt" > > Sin-cerely, > Darkpainter > It glows under black light very well. It is basicly clear so doesn't show = up under normal light. You can use it to make all kinds of things light up = under black light in your haunt, ghosts, highlighting tombstone lettering etc.. = etc.. A bunch of us listers have even used it in web fluid to make the webs glow = under BL (I don't really recomend this now that Denny carries the glow under BL = web fluid though as it can be messy and harm your web shooter) You can even = draw words or images with it and make them appear and dissapear by turning a BL = on and off. It comes in both powdered and liquid form. The powdered is good if you = don't want a thin liquid and you only need at water to it. I prefer the liquid = though as it is less mess and hassle. Don't get it on your skin if you don't want to glow under BL though as it = takes "Repeated Scrubings" before you get all of the glow effect off. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Hello - New user sorta From: "Jim Kadel" Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:37:20 -0400 Sorry to bypass your questions, but would like to mention that this vendor has an excellent UV dye for water. You know so that it will glow under Black Light. It's in red and blue colors. Also it's not that expensive at $ 16. a pint because it's concentrated. This amount can dye up to 50 gallons of water. Also they carry the glow under black light bubble solution :>) Jim =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D REF = =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D At 09:55 AM 09/01/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >I've known about this list for over 2 years now and I also haven't said >much. I've recently signed up again to chat with others. I live in >Madison WI and for the past 2 years I've been having an outdoor >Halloween haunt. I have several questions and I hope some of you may be >able to help me out. Last year I became aware of a company called Star >Light & Magic and I purchased a mini fog machine from them ( >http://www.starmgc.com/ ) and this year they have a new device called >the Cob Web Maker. - - - - - Subject: Re: hall: rit brightner From: "Brian Rich" Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:52:41 -0700 If anyone needs the water soluble green dye, I have it in stock. It is called Uranine or Fluorescein. It is $9.75 for 100 grams. Part number 2848. Malcolm Little wrote: > > But is deadly poisonous, and animals are attracted to > it. It's rumored to have a sweet taste (never tried it, > myself) but just a bit of it will kill pets, and maybe > small children. > > -Malcolm > > > Automobile antifreeze has a nice green fluorescence to it. I > > just saw it > > or something like it in use at Disneyland's Splash Mountain. It looked > > great! > > > -------------------------------------- Brian Wesley Rich Santa Barbara Science http://www.west.net/~science/index.htm - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Re: Hall - White mask help From: "Jeff Preston" Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:45:53 -0500 Hi Jeanie, If your looking for a "white" fluorescent you need what is called "optical white". Check you local theatrical supply, that would be your best bet on finding = it quick. Fluorescent blue will give a very light glowing blue which might satisfy your needs and that can be found in the paint section of Wal-mart,etc. = Hope this helped. Jeff Preston >http://www.terroronthesquare.com< Jeanie or Barbara wrote: > Ack! Just received 17 dz. white plastic masks from OTC yesterday. These > masks are very thin ($4.50/dz.) Put one under a black lite and NO "glow" > at all. This room in our haunt calls for floor to ceiling white masks > under black light. Have sprayed one with white Krylon spray paint (no > florescent white available) & still no reaction to the black light. - - - - - Subject: Re: Re: Hall - White mask help From: "David E. Basile" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:42:35 -0500 Wal-Mart sells that Florescent hair spray in the Halloween section for = about $1.47 a can. That might work but I have never tried it. I don't know if = it is clear or colored. - - - - - Subject: RE: Hall: Black Lights CHEAP From: "Don Krause" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:07:44 -0700 In the REALLY cheap fixtures.. (Home Depot's American something or other. approx $9) has an electronic ballast that will run with only one bulb. I don't notice any real drop in light output either. Note, if you purchase the heavier duty units, with transfomer ballasts, = they don't work well with only one lamp. > Does anyone know where to get a 4ft fluorescent fixture that > only holds one > light instead of two? > I just bought a two tube fixture at walmart ...wait, did > someone say that > one bulb will work in the newer fixtures??? - - - - - Subject: Re: Howl - Glowing water From: "Jim Kadel" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:58:00 -0400 Alan, Try Star Light & Magic at: http://www.starmgc.com/ or better still, go directly to their Black Light page at: http://www.starmgc.com/blcklt.html and scroll down to "UV Fountain Water" this is a commercial 16 ounces of black light dye and can be used to color up to 25 gallons of water. It comes in both red and blue. It's not that expensive and gives a really excellent appearance. - - - - - Subject: RE: Howl - Glowing water From: "Malcolm Little" Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:10:07 -0400 Tonic water. Yep... Tonic water. It glows. You could also open up a flourescent highlighter and let it soak in the water for a while so that some of the 'highlight' dissolves into the water, but it's easier just to get tonic water, and it will be safe to drink. BTW, cat urine glows under blacklight too, but I don't know if you want to work with that. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Disney HM Question From: "Brian Rich" Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:03:41 -0700 From the color it appears, it looks like standard glow-in-the-dark Zinc Sulfide. Sheets and rolls of this stuff are available on the web. I had always assumed that the moving thing was a steered beam of ultraviolet light. Recently I visited the HM in Anaheim, though, and the movement was reminiscent of an object dangling on a short (1 foot) string, and the whole string being moved around. I had also always assumed that the screen was front illuminated. Matt Ford wrote: > > Hello! > The ball of light described below is definitely not a scrim, as the ball > leaves a slowly fading trail of where it's been. It's some sort of > photo-sensitive material. Any more ideas? - - - - - Subject: Re: Who knows where to buy mini blacklights? From: "Webgoblin of Goblinville" Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 13:50:45 -0800 They had them for about $4 late in September in the Halloween section at Wal-Mart but haven't seen them there since early to mid October. - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Who knows where to buy mini blacklights? From: "Carey T. Connor" Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 16:53:10 -0500 Mad Doctor Scott wrote: > > I am sure that I have seen references to handheld > blacklights on the list, but cannot for the death of > me remember who sells them.Ê Anybody have any hints? > > > Thanks for any leads on the blacklight, > > Mad Doctor Scott Walmart had some cheapo battery powered ones with Halloween junk. But, I have also bought a mini sized one with wall prongs (plug) there (Walmart) off season.Ê It's made by GE and is in the hardware section with the lightbulbs.Ê Maybe $7.00 - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Who knows where to buy mini blacklights? From: Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:00:31 EST In a message dated 11/8/2000 11:13:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, ThruHeavensEyez at aol.com writes: << I am sure that I have seen references to handheld Ê blacklights on the list, but cannot for the death of Ê me remember who sells them.Ê Anybody have any hints? >> Oriental Trading Company (they have a web site, same name) sells small blacklights, 4" tube, battery powered, handheld. I bought 2, work fine. I = use them to illuminate glow-in-dark spiderwebs in isolated windows in rooms = where I don't need lots of blacklight, and on my Glowing Fountain (little recirculating fountain with RIT whitener in the water). - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Who knows where to buy mini blacklights? From: "Tom Whalen" Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 08:26:04 -0500 I'm new so I don't know if this will help or not, but I saw a 6 1/4" = battery operated blacklite in the Oriental Trading Co. Halloween catalog. [www.oriental.com]Ê The number is ER-25/2272 on page 75 and it sells for 7.95 each. - - - - - Subject: RE: Howl - battery powered blacklight From: "WebMistress" Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:49:51 -0700 Oh gosh ... Johnson Smith Company has 6" battery ones.Ê Work pretty good = ... Except in extreme cold. - - - - - Subject: Re: Howl - battery powered blacklight From: "Brent Ross" Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:11:54 -0800 I got one at walmart.Ê Its a 12in bulb.Ê Works really good too.ÊÊÊ = Actually I bought the fl. bulb from walmart for like $6 and they sell the = battery powered fixture at home depot for like $8.ÊÊÊÊÊ They only work for = like 4 hrs thought (8 aa batteries)=20 - - - - - Subject: Howl - battery powered blacklight From: Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:10:26 EST If anyone is looking for battery powered blacklights they sell them at = Target in the party supply area for $6.99 - - - - - Subject: RE: Hall: Backlight Spotlights From: "Jim Kadel" Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2001 09:36:41 -0500 Malcolm, Admittingly not knowing for sure, but I'd hazard a guess. You always read ads that these fixtures have ballasts that are "power factor corrected". So I suppose they might have a large capacitor in the ballast circuit to cause the A.C. (voltage and current) to produce more effective power into, I'd guess, standard black light bulbs. Just a haunt hacker's guess though :>) Jim At 07:55 AM 3/5/01 -0500, you wrote: >What's the difference, Rob? >Bigger ballast? Brighter tubes? >Aluminum heads and a bigger cam? What? > >-Malcolm > > >> Someone was mentioning fluorescent blacklight fixtures that >> have a much >> higher output than your basic shop-lights. I've made some of >> these myself-- >> I have a couple of prototypes that I've been using for some >> photography/video work, and they're VERY nice, kind of like >> Kino-Flo if >> youo've ever heard of them. >> >> If I get a chance, I'll build up a second-generation >> prototype and detail it >> with plans, pictures, and such. - - - - - Subject: RE: Hall: Backlight Spotlights From: "Rob Withoff" Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 09:58:58 -0600 Primarily the ballast, although I'm working on fixturing right now. It'll = be a while, I'm currently swamped. - - - - - Subject: Things that Glow in the Dark From: "The Marker's" Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 21:41:15 -0400 All There has been lots of discussion on the list about things that glow under black light...I happened upon this site...it has lots of information and some recipes for glow in the dark slime etc...scroll down to the links at the bottom of the page.Ê Thought you all might want to check it out. http://ice.chem.wisc.edu/materials/light/lightandcolor6.html - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Black Light Pigment From: Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 23:37:35 EDT Medea Inc, makes a phosporecent medium for acrylic paints... in it's pure form, it glows with the usual yellow/green tinge... mixed with tones, it takes on that shade to some extent... If you are looking for flourecent paint (which gives much more intense = colors, but need the black light to be shining on it at all times) I'd suggest getting a set from Wildfire. They're the best! - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: Black Light Pigment From: "Maggie Bell" Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2001 19:41:48 -1000 Thanks, I'll try that one too . . . I've been searching and found http://www.glowbowl.com/ I found it there amongst all kinds of cool glow = in the dark stuff . . . invisiglow . . paints . . bulbs . . . and tons of fun = stuff! Thanks :) Brian D. Oberquell wrote: > Maggie, try www.wildfirefx.com - - - - - Subject: RE: Hall: Black lights and Fog From: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 08:07:36 -0700 >You need to get some Terror by Design UV fog fluid. It glows under black= >light. >Look here- http://www.btprod.com/ > >>Can anyone tell me what type effect you get when fog is past through an= >area >>lit by a black light? Does the fog "glow" like material treated with >>laundry detergent? Denny doesn't sell UV fog fluid. Here's a site that sells UV Juice Blacklight Reactive Concentrate, http://www.eurotekmarketing.com/home.html It works with water, snow, foam, ..., but it's not meant for use with fog= fluid. - - - - - Subject: RE: Hall: Black lights and Fog From: Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:19:35 -0700 I've attached an E-mail response from Kim Rowe at EuroTek regarding the availability of UV fog fluid and her explaination as to why their UV Juic= e Blacklight Reactive Concentrate can't be used with fog fluid... >Here's a site that sells UV Juice Blacklight Reactive Concentrate, > > http://www.eurotekmarketing.com/home.html > >It works with water, snow, foam, ..., but it's not meant for use with fo= g >fluid. Hello Joe, We do not offer any type of UV fog fluid additive I have inquired into th= is a few times in the past with some fog machine/fluid manufacturers and hav= e been told that they have not been able to make any either. I believe that= once super-heated (as in a fog machine) the concentrate may become toxic,= which of course would not work. Sorry! Wish I had better news for you. Regards, Kim Rowe EuroTek - - - - - Subject: Re: where can I find glow paint From: Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:14:01 EDT Hi Halloween Queen: In case you haven't gotten a reply yet to your question, the product = of choice seems to be Rit Brightener. It dries completely clear but glows = with a vibrant blue under UV light. If you're wanting other UV colors, you'll have to look to a different = product. You might try checking with UV FX Scenic Productions; their = website address is: http://www.uvfx.com They advertise in "Haunted Attraction" magazine and show examples of = "Complete Invisible Scenery" in their ad that look WONDERFUL! - - - - - Subject: Re: Hall: where can I find glow paint From: "aaron abel" Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 16:58:55 -0500 on 8/2/01 3:35 PM, Andrew & Rose-Ellen Eastman at theeastmans at worldnet.att.net wrote: > I'm trying to find a paint that dries clear but will be glow in the > dark.....or react to black light. I've searched the archives, but I = can't > find any references to such a product. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks!! > > Halloween Queen > > --- > ________________________________________________________________________ > Halloween-L Discussion List - For list information and archive = searching, > or to unsubscribe, visit: > > I am usually a "lurker" but today I actually have something to contribute! Rit Whitener & Brightener is great for this, but will rub off most = surfaces when dry. My solution was to go to Hobby Lobby and get a jar of artist's acrylic medium. This is a milky paste that dries clear that's used to = extend acrylic paint without thinning it. Anyway, mix the Rit into some of the medium and you have created a paint that's white when wet and dries completely clear. (Hey mom! My art degree really is good for something!) I usually only mix it as I need it in small batches on a pallette with a pallette knife, because it dries kinda fast. Also, I recommend using FLAT, not GLOSSY medium, because the glossy tends to show up in regular light because of its reflective properties. This will be our 2nd season with = this on paintings in our lobby, and it's holding up fine. Hope this helps! Aaron Abel Mad Mary's Haunted House - - - - - Subject: Hall: Glow in the adrk powder From: "Neiva N" Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 17:03:09 +0000 This site sells a powder that can be added to anything laundry, paint = ect.. http://www.neoglow.com/powder.html - - - - - Subject: RE: Hall: Glowing Bubble Test From: "Kathleen McCarthy" Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:50:26 -0400 This is a simple idea....how about adding glow in the dark pigment powder like the kind they sell at Terror By Design with the soap?? Check out = TBD: http://www.btprod.com/ For anyone interested, I've ordered this powder and it glows magnificently!!! It's great when you add it to paint or Elmers glue, I would figure bubble soap would work great too. I don't know what the = bubble making ability would be with the powder though... - - - - - Subject: RE: Hall: Glowing Bubble Test From: "Rob Withoff" Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 15:56:45 -0500 > Sure would be nice to get pure optical white dye - no salt, water, or > other stuff. So we would know what we're getting. Anybody got a > source? Um, I think you can get pretty pure titanium oxide powder at an art supply place, it's a common white pigment, and I believe it glows like a banshee under blacklight. Another thought is to hit a home-supply store (Home Depot) for some TriSodium Phosphate (TSP). Glows very well under blacklight. - - - - -